Jan '23

Thanks for your returns @Skissors @snakker and @Pattu_w, it will definitely help me organize myself a bit more (Except for @snakker who is just gonna be an art god without schedules XD).

As for today.... as always some drawabox study.

and 6th day of the 30days challenge (My perspective is terrible, I still haven't done the perspective assignment in Marc's term 1, I really should do it but I have a lot to do, uh).

I tried to keep my lines parallels, but complex shapes really are hard to view in 3D, I definitely have to work on that.

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And I've done some gestures (After a long time god damn, please don't throw up it's terrible, I'm still really bad on gesture), things got complicate when I'm trying to give the body a more real shape, like trying to draw the legs with gesture, it totally fuck the drawing, I don't know where I'm doing wrong, on some I tried to draw the ribcage with the pelvis but went also poorly.

I tried one day to take a look at proko's method with beans it went really, really poorly, his method doesn't fit with me, uh gesture is really fun but it really is hard.

Do you guys have some advice about it ? or youtube videos that can help me? Marc really is a good teacher, but sometimes he draws some lines and don't explain why this line and not another what lost me a bit..

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Jan '23

Here check this one out

The 11 Steps to Great Gesture Drawing

This hole channel is great for learning gesture, pretty awesome advices.
I remembered that I actually did the challenge that him mentioned in the video and it truly helps a lot, hope it helps.

Jan '23

Yo that video is really nice

As for my personal experience, I had a really iffy feeling about my first gestures as well XD

I think pushing through that phase is important, it's ok if it's not how you like it at first, but keep at it and it will improve. Also, try experimenting. Nothing stops you from trying the gestures at longer times or using a thicker brush. For example, just increasing the overall size of the hard round brush and adding pressure-size can yield expressive lines and is easier to work with in my experience

For the complex shapes, you can try drawing the complex silhouette on one side of a cube and draw the cube in perspective, then more or less eye ball or trace towards vanishing points for nice results, of course, there are much more technical ways to do complex shapes out there once that's no fun

cheers and keep at it!

Jan '23

Reply to

yatogamy

In term of finding your gesture style, I suggest watch others YT video and try to experiment with that style and ask is there any particular part of this YT style you like from it. And keep on experimentation! Gesture drawing is more preferential exercise than a structural/judgemental exercise.

So for example, I use a blend of FORCE and Proko method of doing gesture. i tried other gesture methods I found on YT but it's just doesn't work for me when I tried their gesture method. Like I said, I kept on experimenting and add on which part I like about their methods to make my gesture drawing. Hope that helps! :smile:

Jan '23

Uh god, thanks again for your returns guys @snakker @Gordon003 and @Pattu_w
So I followed your advices and, I ended up spending 2 hours studying gesture from the video from pattu_w and this one https://youtu.be/bzOUe6LbUUs from proko + my 30 daily min of gesture

I'm experimenting, and it's still terrible, it's only day 2, but, damn, I thought I had it, and the moment I put my pen on the paper it went terrible XD

I got this.

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I also drew the day 7 from the 30 days challenge

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My perspective is kinda bad, I tried to follow snakker tips, helped me a bit, but I lack technical skills, I need to work on that....

Though, this leads to one question.

Today I drew for 7 to 8 hours, I continue my drawabox things, studied and made gestures, drew the day 7 and some perspective and I'm questioning myself, Am I doing enough in those 8 hours?

Or Am I too slow? I know it's a process that I have to enjoy but, Am I not too slow ?
I still haven't drawn something human, even tho It's what I want to do, but I can't, look at my boxes in perspective, wtf would a guy looks like if I draw him xD.

But for one hour I was doing nothing but wondering what to do (after drawabox and gestures), perspective ? proportions? draw mannequins over references?

I wonder what to do and I ended up doing nothing, cause I wanted to do everything.. do you have advice for that ? Or something you would do ?

My goal is to become an illustrator, I still haven't done a lot for it.... even tho I keep drawing, I know I will succeed, the impostor syndrome propbably speak..

I should probably allow more time to draw something at the end of the day, for fun, I don't know how though

See you as always, tomorrow

  • Yato
Jan '23

Hey there, wow, 8 hours is plenty. As long as you are having fun though it’s good 😃 just be wary of frustration and burnout

Now starting with the gestures, they are not bad. Ask yourself what you want to achieve with them, maybe try more dynamic poses in your references and add some more time so you can add a little more detail and have more time to study the gesture - you don’t have to do them super fast when you are beginning if you don’t want to, get a feel for them first. I find quickposes.com a good source or some gesture reference pack. Also, how big are you drawing them? Using the whole canvas, having a large draeing surface and propping it up at an angle or upright can help you draw from the shoulder, alternatively using a low table and using the elbow. The wrist I find hard to use for it.

And as for how much you do… I don’t know the answer to that one 😅 I know that practice should be tailored to what you want to achieve and drawing basic shapes like cubes cylinders etc is very useful as well as drawing the figure itself. Hell maybe even copy some artists, see how they tackle drawing the figures and see if you like their style - have fin with it

Cheers and keep it up

Jan '23

Well I am having a lot of fun !
For now me and myself are working togheter, when the little voice come I put her outside of the house, I won't fail again.

I should time my self a bit more yeah, I tend to listen and do only what marc's says in his program, when i'm not doing that it's stressful for some reasons.

I bought some packs on cubebrush for gesture, I listen to marc saying to pick simple poses, but I should add some more ''complicated but not to wtf poses'' in my folder, definitely.

I never thought about that, I'm using my shoulder but not the entire space, maybe it should totally help me if I use lot of space, I'm gonna try this tomorrow, for sure ( MY GOD I SHOULD HAVE THINK ABOUT THAT EARLIER THANK YOU :sweat_smile: )

I'll keep working, and find something that suit me, I'll keep working on DAB and gesture, I'll try to maybe focus on one thing a day, it's not like I don't have time anyway.

Thanks again snakker

Jan '23

Reply to

yatogamy

I think you are putting too much pressure and expectation on your gesture drawing. Gesture drawing is more exploration and finding your way to get the gesture/flow of the pose. Just take it slow, experiment around with new methods you found/saw and just like let your pencil/stylus flow! Putting expectation on gesture ruins the main purpose of gesture drawing imo.

My gesture drawing took around 4 months before I can actually see something for comparison.

Draw-a-box wise, I didn't complete the challenge. Just did the basic ghosting and ghosted plane exercise with felt-tip pen on paper for about a month and off I go to another concept.

Your question will be either answered or given new perspective if you are on art school discorc where there are other users with similar experience as you do. Hope that helps! :smile:

Jan '23

Reply to

yatogamy

Hi! Apologies for the late reply, but you're doing quite swell! Don't overwork yourself or overthink the pace of your progress. Some people learn faster or slower than others and that's okay! Drawing perspectives shouldn't stop you from drawing humans, either—I'd use that one hour doing so! But since you believe your perspectives need a bit of practice, you can focus on that one first before moving on to proportions or other studies.

If you want to start drawing humans, I recommend sketches of specific body parts from reference. When I was new to human anatomy, I started with the head, but now I'm getting comfier drawing other parts of the body like hands and/or feet.

Take care -- You got this!

6 months later

Jul '23
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God damn... I won't give up.

New habits, new fear, but this time I have elvolved

Lot of shits happened, but now, I got this, I allowed my self to move on term 2, doing heads since a good weeks now and today I tried gesture drawing for 1m30

I got worse than ever, but I don't care, I got this.

Jul '23

Progress so far on heads ( I have a lot of other try on heads, but I was speedrunning the process and they looked really bad, especially when I tried with references, so I went to the basics.)

Jul '23

Had a lot to do today, but I still managed to do few gestures and finish my heads exercises

My gesture still looks stiff, I'm trying to watch people on YouTube but damn, even with 1min30s it's still bad, maybe I should higher up the timer.

And for the heads, It's not perfect but I think I get the first part, maybe I should move on to the exercises with the chin and mouth added (and maybe use some references, hope it will be good (I know it won't lol))

Oh and also I don't have time to work my drawing at the week-end, I have a side-job that takes 3 entire day, that's why I won't post on those days, very rarely though

Have a good day guys

ps : Do you have a tips to darker your line without ctrl c + ctrl v calques on paint clip studio? I want to darker my lines cause we don't see shit when I post picture :frowning:

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